https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
and
https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
and
https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
issue well . . .)
and
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
>and
>https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
>and
>https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
>(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
>issue well . . .)
>and
>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance
>
>And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .
The Taxpayer' Union (note the correct spelling) is a non-partisan,
non-political group of caring intelligent New Zealander's. No wonder you hate
them.

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
>and
>https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
>and
>https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
>(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
>issue well . . .)
>and
>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance
>
For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless
anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a
continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

>And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
twaddle.

--
Crash McBash

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
>>and
>>https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
>>and
>>https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
>>(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
>>issue well . . .)
>>and
>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance
>>
>For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless
>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a
>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.

Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
- it is certainly against their stealth legislation!

https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back

The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
the projects it plans to approve :

"This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to
include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
was introduced, those lists were left blank.

Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
value:

“Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
worried it would “overwhelm” the select committee.”

Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and
climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
industry mates have cooked up."

and
“Forest & Bird’s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
dam and irrigation scheme – two projects which courts have ruled
against – could be resurrected under the act.

The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
all three processes.”

>
>>And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
>>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .
>
>Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
>twaddle.

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
>>>and
>>>https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
>>>and
>>>https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
>>>(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
>>>issue well . . .)
>>>and
>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance
>>>
>>For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless
>>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a
>>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.
>
>This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
>seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
>economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
>with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.
>
>Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
>- it is certainly against their stealth legislation!
>
>https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back
>
>The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
>the projects it plans to approve :
>
>"This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
>projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
>is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to
>include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
>was introduced, those lists were left blank.
>
>Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
>value:
>
>�Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
>worried it would �overwhelm� the select committee.�
>
>Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
>be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and
>climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
>industry mates have cooked up."
>
>and
>�Forest & Bird�s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
>dam and irrigation scheme � two projects which courts have ruled
>against � could be resurrected under the act.
>
>The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
>including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
>land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
>all three processes.�
>
>
>
>>
>>>And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
>>>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .
>>
>>Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
>>twaddle.
What a crock - your bullshit is astounding with its lack of integrity. The last
government was the one that introduced stealth legislation and you conveniently
forget that - of course!

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:14:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

>Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
>>>>and
>>>>https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
>>>>and
>>>>https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
>>>>(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
>>>>issue well . . .)
>>>>and
>>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance
>>>>
>>>For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless
>>>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a
>>>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.
>>
>>This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
>>seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
>>economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
>>with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.
>>
>>Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
>>- it is certainly against their stealth legislation!
>>
>>https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back
>>
>>The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
>>the projects it plans to approve :
>>
>>"This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
>>projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
>>is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to
>>include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
>>was introduced, those lists were left blank.
>>
>>Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
>>value:
>>
>>“Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
>>worried it would “overwhelm” the select committee.”
>>
>>Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
>>be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and
>>climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
>>industry mates have cooked up."
>>
>>and
>>“Forest & Bird’s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
>>dam and irrigation scheme – two projects which courts have ruled
>>against – could be resurrected under the act.
>>
>>The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
>>including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
>>land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
>>all three processes.”
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
>>>>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .
>>>
>>>Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
>>>twaddle.
>What a crock - your bullshit is astounding with its lack of integrity. The last
>government was the one that introduced stealth legislation and you conveniently
>forget that - of course!

So how did that go for them, Tony?

Did they authorise a project that has been rejected by the courts
under three separate laws? Do you think it would be OK for the
current government to authorise such a project?

you appear to be implying that whatever the previous government did
makes it OK for the current government to repeat it - I suspect most
people reject that argument, Tony.

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:14:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
>>>>>and
>>>>>https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
>>>>>and
>>>>>https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
>>>>>(I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
>>>>>issue well . . .)
>>>>>and
>>>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance
>>>>>
>>>>For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless
>>>>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a
>>>>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.
>>>
>>>This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
>>>seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
>>>economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
>>>with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.
>>>
>>>Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
>>>- it is certainly against their stealth legislation!
>>>
>>>https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back
>>>
>>>The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
>>>the projects it plans to approve :
>>>
>>>"This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
>>>projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
>>>is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to
>>>include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
>>>was introduced, those lists were left blank.
>>>
>>>Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
>>>value:
>>>
>>>�Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
>>>worried it would �overwhelm� the select committee.�
>>>
>>>Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
>>>be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and
>>>climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
>>>industry mates have cooked up."
>>>
>>>and
>>>�Forest & Bird�s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
>>>dam and irrigation scheme � two projects which courts have ruled
>>>against � could be resurrected under the act.
>>>
>>>The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
>>>including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
>>>land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
>>>all three processes.�
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
>>>>>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .
>>>>
>>>>Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
>>>>twaddle.
>>What a crock - your bullshit is astounding with its lack of integrity. The
>>last
>>government was the one that introduced stealth legislation and you
>>conveniently
>>forget that - of course!
>
>So how did that go for them, Tony?
They got unceremoniously discarded. Don't you remember? Hipkins and Ardern
before him were thrown out with the other trash.
>
>Did they authorise a project that has been rejected by the courts
>under three separate laws?
Irrelevant.
> Do you think it would be OK for the
>current government to authorise such a project?
Non-sequitur.
>
>
>you appear to be implying that whatever the previous government did
>makes it OK for the current government to repeat it - I suspect most
>people reject that argument, Tony.
Your are inferring, I am implying nothing.