https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=930364629095817&set=a.495697005895917&locale=en_GB

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 02:31:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

>https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=930364629095817&set=a.495697005895917&locale=en_GB
Congratulations, Tony. What was your thought?

On 2024-04-01, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=930364629095817&set=a.495697005895917&locale=en_GB

Some of the rest on that site are also classic. 9Bored as an amish
electrician)

Right-wingers seem more prone to Poe’s Law
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law> than left-wingers.

Discuss.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>Right-wingers seem more prone to Poe’s Law
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law> than left-wingers.
>
>Discuss.
No.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:40:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>Right-wingers seem more prone to Poe’s Law
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law> than left-wingers.
>>
>>Discuss.
>No.
That is an understandable reaction from Tony - he has an aversion to
debate at the best of times, but expressed as what he possibly saw as
an instruction, he naturally reacts negatively. Would you have been
more inclined to debate he topic if it had read "Debate?" Tony.

I did notice that the only political reference in the article was to
Donald Trump :
"The article gave examples of cases such as 4chan with the usage of
the OK gesture as a white power symbol and the Trump administration
where there were deliberate ambiguities over whether something was
serious or intended as a parody, where people were using Poe's law as
"a refuge" to camouflage beliefs that would otherwise be considered
unacceptable." and then referenced :
https://www.wired.com/2017/06/poes-law-troll-cultures-central-rule/
which unfortunately is behind a paywall.

The quotation from the wikipedia article that links Poe's Law to the
right in New Zealand is:
"The article gave examples of cases such as 4chan with the usage of
the OK gesture as a white power symbol and the Trump administration
where there were deliberate ambiguities over whether something was
serious or intended as a parody, where people were using Poe's law as
"a refuge" to camouflage beliefs that would otherwise be considered
unacceptable.[9]"

The Right in New Zealand have changed since the days of Dirty Tricks -
previous National Party leaders would not have tolerated the implicit
support to anti-Vax extremists, but both ACT and NZ First have brought
those views into their caucus - they know that the majority of
government MPS will not allow such views to get any further, but
helped them win an election. More insidious were their actions on
Water, where they are pushing costs to local authorities, and using
that to force rates increases that enable them to at the same time
flatten income tax - it all repays backers though Atlas Network
entities to achieve their goals of flatter income taxes, and an
increase in user pays and local rates that will result in greater
inequality; and repaying the donations from landlords and other
wealthy people to give them a good return on their investment through
the Taxpayer Union and NZ Initiative and other political fronts.

So yes, Poe's Law does apply more to the Right than to other parts of
New Zealand society, but it is hidden behind a huge amount of money
that does not get covered by current political rules . . .

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:40:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>Right-wingers seem more prone to Poe’s Law
>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law> than left-wingers.
>>>
>>>Discuss.
>>No.
Bullshit off topic from Rich gone.
Rich fails to understand that Lawrence is full of trite one-liners and zero
substance. No wonder Rich likes to converse with him, two of a kind.

On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 15:07:16 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

> https://www.wired.com/2017/06/poes-law-troll-cultures-central-rule/
> which unfortunately is behind a paywall.

All I see is a panel at the bottom which can be made to disappear by
clicking the appropriate icon. I then get the whole article.

I also like to use private-browsing mode, for those dumb sites that like
to stick a cookie on your machine to keep track of how many of their
articles you’ve read.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 15:07:16 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
>
>> https://www.wired.com/2017/06/poes-law-troll-cultures-central-rule/
>> which unfortunately is behind a paywall.
>
>All I see is a panel at the bottom which can be made to disappear by
>clicking the appropriate icon. I then get the whole article.
Rich sees imaginary paywalls whenever he wants to avoid something - He must
hate something in the article.
The site is not paywalled at all.
>
>I also like to use private-browsing mode, for those dumb sites that like
>to stick a cookie on your machine to keep track of how many of their
>articles you’ve read.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 03:23:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:

> The site is not paywalled at all.

Really? You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 03:23:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>
>> The site is not paywalled at all.
>
>Really?
It is a fact as you have already mentioned.
> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
I have zero political affiliations. I will read all sorts of information on all
sorts of sites without labelling them - why do you keep posting extreme
political nonsense?

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>
> I have zero political affiliations.

But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earth”? And here you are
associating with lefty sites!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>>
>> I have zero political affiliations.
>
>But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earth”?
Oh, so now you are a liar. I have never said that.
> And here you are
>associating with lefty sites!
Your English skills are childish. Reading what someone publishes is not an
association.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>>>
>>> I have zero political affiliations.
Nobody has said you have, Tony.

>>But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earthâ€??
>Oh, so now you are a liar. I have never said that.

Absolutely, you have always been careful to use different words to
express that view.

>> And here you are
>>associating with lefty sites!
>Your English skills are childish. Reading what someone publishes is not an
>association.
Nobody said it was; but here you are having a discussion when you
originally said No to a debate . . .

However you decision to delete the contents of post by myself (just
look back, it is still there . . . ) - does appear to make you a
poster with a close affinity to those "using Poe's law as "a refuge"
to camouflage beliefs that would otherwise be considered
unacceptable." - which relates directly to the sort of Trumpian views
you often express . . .

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 04:30:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 03:23:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>
>> The site is not paywalled at all.
>
>Really? You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!

It is always an advantage to know what tunes the devil is playing.

Bill.

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>>>>
>>>> I have zero political affiliations.
>Nobody has said you have, Tony.
Erm. I have, more than once.
>
>>>But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earth�??
>>Oh, so now you are a liar. I have never said that.
>
>Absolutely, you have always been careful to use different words to
>express that view.
So you agree he is a liar. I have never expressed that view which makes you a
liar alos.
>
>>> And here you are
>>>associating with lefty sites!
>>Your English skills are childish. Reading what someone publishes is not an
>>association.
>Nobody said it was; but here you are having a discussion when you
>originally said No to a debate . . .
Lawrence did - I follow up on lies.
>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:53:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

>Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have zero political affiliations.
>>Nobody has said you have, Tony.
>Erm. I have, more than once.
Thanks Tony; I should have said I do not recall anyone saying that you
had any political affiliation - but I accept that you have had in the
past - what political party or parties have you previously told
nz.general that you were affiliated to, Tony?

>>
>>>>But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earthâ€??
>>>Oh, so now you are a liar. I have never said that.
>>
>>Absolutely, you have always been careful to use different words to
>>express that view.
>So you agree he is a liar. I have never expressed that view which makes you a
>liar alos.
Many of your posts critical of the previous government certainly gave
that impression, Tony.

>>
>>>> And here you are
>>>>associating with lefty sites!
>>>Your English skills are childish. Reading what someone publishes is not an
>>>association.
>>Nobody said it was; but here you are having a discussion when you
>>originally said No to a debate . . .
>Lawrence did - I follow up on lies.
No. Lawrence said "Debate.", which you followed by "No"

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:53:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have zero political affiliations.
>>>Nobody has said you have, Tony.
>>Erm. I have, more than once.
>Thanks Tony; I should have said I do not recall anyone saying that you
>had any political affiliation
Your memory is trash - you have said incorrectly that I have affiliations.
> - but I accept that you have had in the
>past
Then you are a fool - I have never had any affiliations with any politicial
party or any political belief.
> - what political party or parties have you previously told
>nz.general that you were affiliated to, Tony?
ANswer above - none.
>
>
>>>
>>>>>But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earth�??
>>>>Oh, so now you are a liar. I have never said that.
>>>
>>>Absolutely, you have always been careful to use different words to
>>>express that view.
>>So you agree he is a liar. I have never expressed that view which makes you
>>a
>>liar alos.
>Many of your posts critical of the previous government certainly gave
>that impression, Tony.
You are a liar - prpoven many times. Suck it up.
>
>>>
>>>>> And here you are
>>>>>associating with lefty sites!
>>>>Your English skills are childish. Reading what someone publishes is not an
>>>>association.
>>>Nobody said it was; but here you are having a discussion when you
>>>originally said No to a debate . . .
>>Lawrence did - I follow up on lies.
>No. Lawrence said "Debate.", which you followed by "No"
Lawrenec issued in instruction - I said no! Clear now?

Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:53:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 05:32:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You visit lefty sites? And yet you claim you’re not a lefty!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have zero political affiliations.
>>>>Nobody has said you have, Tony.
>>>Erm. I have, more than once.
>>Thanks Tony; I should have said I do not recall anyone saying that you
>>had any political affiliation
>Your memory is trash - you have said incorrectly that I have affiliations.
>> - but I accept that you have had in the
>>past
>Then you are a fool - I have never had any affiliations with any politicial
>party or any political belief.
>> - what political party or parties have you previously told
>>nz.general that you were affiliated to, Tony?
>ANswer above - none.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>But didn’t you say lefties were the “scum of the Earth�??
>>>>>Oh, so now you are a liar. I have never said that.
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely, you have always been careful to use different words to
>>>>express that view.
>>>So you agree he is a liar. I have never expressed that view which makes you
>>>a
>>>liar alos.
>>Many of your posts critical of the previous government certainly gave
>>that impression, Tony.
>You are a liar - prpoven many times. Suck it up.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>> And here you are
>>>>>>associating with lefty sites!
>>>>>Your English skills are childish. Reading what someone publishes is not an
>>>>>association.
>>>>Nobody said it was; but here you are having a discussion when you
>>>>originally said No to a debate . . .
>>>Lawrence did - I follow up on lies.
>>No. Lawrence said "Debate.", which you followed by "No"
>Lawrenec issued in instruction - I said no! Clear now?
Correction.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:55:49 +1300, BR wrote:

> It is always an advantage to know what tunes the devil is playing.

That’s what they all say.